WUNC: Shaw University student debaters join debate over reparations

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WUNC: Shaw University student debaters join debate over reparations
Student debaters at Shaw University speak on the pros and cons of reparations. From left to right: Christian Jacques, Ndey Mariam Camara, Zaid Steele, La'Tanya Mayah Groover, and Jalil Hamilton.
Student debaters at Shaw University speak on the pros and cons of reparations. From left to right: Christian Jacques, Ndey Mariam Camara, Zaid Steele, La'Tanya Mayah Groover, and Jalil Hamilton.
The debate over reparations is real. The directors of the film "The Big Payback" is spreading the word on the importance of reparations for the descendants of African slaves in the United States. Students at HBCUs, like Shaw University, are learning the pros and cons of reparations and debating the issue.

New voices are joining the controversial conversation over whether the United States owes reparations to the descendants of African slaves. College students like the ones at Shaw University in Raleigh, North Carolina have literally joined the debate.

Erika Alexander and Whitney Dow are co-directors and producers of the film, “The Big Payback.” It tells the story of Evanston, Ill. and passage of the first tax-funded reparations bill for Black Americans in the country.

Most of the outspoken voices for and against reparations are from older people, politicians and activists. Alexander says she helped organize debates at HBCUs on the topic to hear what young folks had to say.

“I was very inspired by the 1965 James Baldwin- William Buckley debate. I watch it all the time. I thought it would be great to try to replicate it but around the subject of reparations,” said Alexander. “The idea was to include students to take the radioactivity off of this word.”

The debate Alexander was referring to was in February 1965 at the University of Cambridge in England. The topic of the Baldwin versus Buckley debate: The American Dream is At the Expense of the American Negro.

There is an audio clip of Baldwin from that debate in “The Big Payback” film. Baldwin says “I picked the cotton. And I carried it to market. And I built the railroads under someone else’s whip for nothing. For nothing!”

During the month of March, “Big Payback” debates took place at several Historically Black Colleges and Universities across North Carolina, including North Carolina Central University in Durham and North Carolina A&T State University in Greensboro.

At Shaw, 20-year-old Christian Jacques of Elkridge, Maryland prepared to speak in support of reparations. He said family members gave him ideas to consider.

“My mom is actually here today. She said she wanted to come hear me speak on this topic,” said Jacques. “My side and I feel pretty confident we’re ready.”

Zaid Steele also said she was ready. The 21-year-old from Kansas City, Missouri debated against reparations.

“I talked to my grandma because her and my granddad were both in the Black Panther party,” said Steele. “She honestly didn’t pick a side but she did really give me an eye opener to both sides.”

Reparations for the descendants of the African enslaved in this country, can look several different ways. Tuition for education, housing, cash payments, have all been discussed.

Jacques was the first to speak, dressed in a formal black suit, white shirt, and striped necktie. He went right in, listing reparations for Japanese Americans and The Marshall Plan, when the U-S provided billions of dollars in foreign aid after World War II.

“Slave owners benefitted from the unpaid labor of slaves which helped them to build multi-generational wealth,” said Jacques. “This fact, in itself, is a tremendous disgrace to Blacks and their forefathers in the past considering all that they have laid down for this country.”

Jacques ended his initial statement with support of H.R. 40, the Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act.

“This is why H.R. 40 is such a paramount matter,” said Jacques. “It would be the lead-way into the country finally issuing an apology, not only apologizing for its dark history but for every Black American to embrace the American dream.”

While Jacques laid out his support of reparations, Steele pressed for answers. She stretched to get situated at the podium, wearing black and white pants, a black sweater, white blouse and green natural loc’d hair for style. Steele questions H.R. 40 and the wide array of reparations plans across the country. She said they will not solve anything.

“What does ‘eligible’ look like? You can look at my skin and know that I’m Black,” said Steele. “How is it true for African Americans who suffered the same backgrounds of slavery get a different amount of money?”

Steele is referring to recent news about a draft reparations proposal out of San Francisco. One suggestion from a city-appointed reparations committee was to give eligible Black adults a lump-sum payment of $5 million.

“But let us not forget, where is this money coming from?” said Steele. “The same community we built should not be divided by money.”

The audience voted by applause. The team supporting reparations won this debate. Paulette Dillard, President of Shaw University, welcomed the exercise.

“I’m actually quite excited to have today’s young people be interested in the topic and actually want to engage about because we’ve not found it easy to get them civically engaged,” said Dillard. “To have a program around reparations is actually very exciting.”

Alexander and the other filmmakers said they will continue to raise money and sponsor this debate at HBCUs and predominately white institutions, also known as PWIs. Alexander says the goal is to convince President Joe Biden to sign an executive order showing his support for House Resolution 40. But note, H.R. 40 does not spell out who is eligible for reparations, how much should be paid or how to pay for it.

About the Author

Leoneda Inge

Leoneda Inge is WUNC’s race and southern culture reporter, the first public radio journalist in the South to hold such a position. She also is co-host of the podcast Tested and host of the special podcast series, PAULI. Leoneda is the recipient of numerous awards from AP, RTDNA and NABJ. She’s been a reporting fellow in Berlin and Tokyo. You can follow her on Twitter @LeonedaInge.


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